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Jesse Meadows's avatar

thank you for your service here. 🙏 i have been side-eyeing posts about this for weeks, but haven't been able to look into it yet. the thing about not being able to quote from their own essay when using an LLM seems so obvious to me, and also so obviously not a sign of brain damage.. learning just takes time and repetition that you don't get when you copy and paste? refocusing the education and AI convo on economics is soo sorely needed in the face of all this moral panic about the kids not being able to read anymore!

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Kleo Brix's avatar

I saw all the hubbub about this and felt it smelled funny. Turns out I was right, once again the mainstream media takes a scientific study, omits all the extremely important conditions and constraints, and just runs with a ~scary~ conclusion.

I don't have the chops to comment on the actual study itself, but I can probe the apparent conclusion that LLMs worsen educational attainment. The question of "Does using them makes students "worse"?" implicitly assumes all was well before the arrival of the nefarious LLM and students were learning bigly from these assignments. Which is so preposterous an assumption that I barely can't. Rote, unengaging, unrewarding assignments have always been met with students going about them in an efficient as possible fashion. Back in my day, the late 90s/early 00s, that meant copying summaries of books to name just one thing (I vividly remember the consternation about the Internet making this easier to do).

If you don't give people a reason to give a fuck by making tasks rewarding, engaging, etc. it's no wonder they'll go about them in the way that's the most energy efficient? That's a far more difficult conversation though, as you rightly point out, as it touches on far deeper causes in our socio-political processes that most people either don't want to acknowledge or are oblivious to. It's much easier to blame LLMs for it. As they did Wikipedia before that, and Google before that, and probably publications summarizing books/literature before that.

To share a personal anecdote: I viscerally loathed those assignments in school, the English language does not have the words to properly express just how deep I absolutely abhorred doing them, and did whatever I could to get through them while expending as little effort as possible. And yet... I like writing. I regularly just throw hundreds, if not thousands, of words on the paper. Because I want to. Because I enjoy it. Because communicating some thought or observation I have clearly tickles my brainulum something fierce. Something the educational system did nothing to foster, and yet here I am.

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